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[0:00] <cristi_an> DMA02: :)
[0:00] <DMA02> ie, the people in the dungeon
[0:02] <katratxo> don't know really the exact number but less than 20
[0:04] <cristi_an> and on POS site ?
[0:04] <cristi_an> side
[0:04] <katratxo> including them
[0:04] <DMA02> the pos... prolly has 4
[0:05] <cristi_an> i just look on prices for course...
[0:05] <cristi_an> for eastern europe those prices are ...astronomic :(
[0:06] <cristi_an> there are some books cheaper for self learning ?
[0:06] <cristi_an> or there is enough free docs ?
[0:06] <cristi_an> :)
[0:07] <katratxo> enough is to generic :s ... the only free available documentation is the wiki http://wiki.openbravo.com
[0:07] <cristi_an> some payed books ?
[0:08] <cristi_an> katratxo: possible to build custom app based on the existing framework....without any existing modules...?
[0:08] <katratxo> afaik no books yet
[0:08] <cristi_an> :(
[0:09] <katratxo> cristi_an: is possible, you can check xmlEngine, SqlC tutorials on sf.net https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=162271&package_id=192201
[0:10] <katratxo> http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Architecture
[0:11] <katratxo> this still applies to newer versions
[0:11] <cristi_an> it will not ? soon :)
[0:13] <katratxo> well, in 2.50 we have the new data access layer ... so sqlc will be replaced
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[0:13] <cristi_an> well i w8 for that...:)
[0:13] <katratxo> and then xmlengine ...
[0:13] <cristi_an> when that will be...in time ?
[0:13] <katratxo> dal is in place already
[0:14] <cristi_an> when you will have xmlengne ? apx
[0:14] <cristi_an> and docs updated for that as well on wiki :)
[0:15] <katratxo> don't know yet .. you can be part of the change http://paolojuvara.blogspot.com/2009/03/got-ideas-help-us-drive-future.html
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[0:17] <cristi_an> http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=6526100 ???
[0:18] <cristi_an> you have some kind of restricted access to parts of openbravo ?
[0:18] <cristi_an> like compiere has ?
[0:18] <cristi_an> and adempiere hates :) ?
[0:20] <DMA02> hmm yeah I guess they need something extra in the version they're going to sell
[0:21] <DMA02> katratxo, correct me if I am wrong on this
[0:21] <katratxo> DMA02: community and network version are the same code base, the same product
[0:21] <DMA02> though that type of disclaimer.. it's pretty normal. I see it in many big opensource projects
[0:22] <DMA02> "The links in this post point to maintenance packs that are intended for subscribers of Openbravo Network only."
[0:22] <DMA02> this is for compatibility reasons ?
[0:22] <cristi_an> i want to find out more about this ....
[0:22] <cristi_an> DMA02: what do you mean ?
[0:23] <katratxo> cristi_an: you can check the whole thread
[0:23] <cristi_an> but is spanish no ?
[0:23] <katratxo> the maintenance branches are closed... just for customers paying subscriptions
[0:23] <katratxo> yes, spanish :s
[0:23] <DMA02> hehe I was gonna say most of it is in spanish
[0:24] <cristi_an> what that means maintaionce branches ?
[0:24] <DMA02> I Was gonna ask the same.. what's so special about it that you need to pay for it
[0:24] <cristi_an> and how that affect someone that is not a partner
[0:24] <katratxo> fixes for existing releases
[0:24] <DMA02> and is it still avialable today?
[0:24] <cristi_an> fixex for aleder versions ?
[0:25] <cristi_an> fixes for older versions ?
[0:25] <katratxo> http://www.openbravo.com/product/erp/comparison-chart/
[0:26] <katratxo> fixes for stable versions ... in this case 2.40 and 2.35 ... the only code line open is the main one https://code.openbravo.com/erp/devel
[0:27] <katratxo> all the bugfixing is made in this one and backported to the maintenance branches
[0:27] <DMA02> Bug Fixing Guarantee - gotta pay :)
[0:27] <katratxo> yeap
[0:27] <DMA02> well i'm not gonna say anything, programmer needs to eat
[0:28] <katratxo> that's true
[0:28] <cristi_an> yes they need to eat agree :)
[0:28] <DMA02> to me I Don't like to deprive people of not fixing a bug, but that's why I'd rather work doing in-house custom software and do opensource on the side as hobby
[0:29] <cristi_an> i knwo since my brother is part of a company htat lives with funding...:)
[0:29] <cristi_an> so they have to make money...somehow
[0:29] <DMA02> software is free, buy the manual = $5000
[0:29] <DMA02> hehe
[0:30] <katratxo> you are paying professional support, guarantees, etc
[0:30] <cristi_an> DMA02: practically is you haev same costs...
[0:30] <cristi_an> if you want a good product
[0:31] <DMA02> right but there are some projects that are opensource, backed by a company and don't restrict bug fixes to suscribed customers
[0:31] <DMA02> I can think of some IBM projects
[0:31] <cristi_an> true
[0:31] <cristi_an> also open erp or tryron
[0:31] <cristi_an> however....becase i am not native english i did not understood
[0:32] <katratxo> DMA02: ob are not restricting bugfixes to paying customers .... the bugfixes are made in different code lines
[0:32] <cristi_an> so dev trunk is avalable only
[0:32] <katratxo> if you don't want to pay, you need to handle ti
[0:32] <katratxo> *it
[0:32] <DMA02> I didn't understand 100%
[0:32] <cristi_an> me neither
[0:32] <cristi_an> katratxo: but those bug fixes are not fixed on dev branch
[0:32] <DMA02> if I use the community edition and there is a bug fix that was done in the network branch
[0:33] <cristi_an> trunk how do you call it
[0:33] <DMA02> how do I get it
[0:33] <katratxo> yes, the fix happens in main and 2.40 branch ..
[0:33] <cristi_an> but i have acces only on main ?
[0:33] <katratxo> but since main is the dev code line, may have a different fix ..
[0:34] <katratxo> so you need to be skilled to know how to apply the same fix to your 2.40
[0:34] <DMA02> ah ok
[0:34] <trifon> DMA02: idea is that if you want to use the free version and have latestest fixed then you must migrate to the latest version.
[0:35] <trifon> if you sta with older version and need a fix then you either fix if by yourself or pay.
[0:35] <DMA02> so you apply the fix in the network branch first. Then propagate it to the community branch later (which may differ from the network branch) and I have to either patch it my self.. or wait for a new release
[0:35] <katratxo> however, maintenance packs are free available for the community edition when a critical bug is raised ... some bug which can brake your system
[0:35] <cristi_an> trifon: adempiere is not like that ?: :)
[0:35] <trifon> DMA02: if you are not developer you have to pay someone to do it anyway
[0:36] <cristi_an> trifon: but latest version ...is development version
[0:36] <DMA02> yeah, but I am a dev so they'd pay me :)
[0:36] <cristi_an> so that is not very stable no ?
[0:36] <cristi_an> to be used in production...
[0:36] <trifon> cristi_an: :) every version has bugs.
[0:36] <katratxo> yeap, main is not production ready ...
[0:36] <trifon> why do you need to fix bug in older version if it is so stable :)
[0:36] <katratxo> the latest production release for the community is 2.40
[0:37] <cristi_an> so ...you say that ...openbravo does not provide a production ready version for free ?
[0:37] <cristi_an> aha ....there is...
[0:37] <cristi_an> trifon: how adempier handles this ?
[0:37] <trifon> words like stable non stable are relative.
[0:38] <trifon> cristi_an: handle what?
[0:38] <cristi_an> bug fixes for older versions
[0:38] <DMA02> he's right, they should have a definition of what "Stable" constitutes
[0:38] <trifon> one of ademepire developers releases patches every week.
[0:38] <DMA02> like what bugs are permissible in a stable version and what are not
[0:39] <trifon> things are really different for develoeprs and for users.
[0:39] <trifon> develeoprs can do everyting while users should pay devs for patches.
[0:39] <cristi_an> for me as dev...i do not consider this a problem ...
[0:39] <trifon> new versions and so on.
[0:40] <trifon> yes. i also can handle everything.
[0:40] <katratxo> trifon: are you an adempiere developer?
[0:41] <trifon> one difference which i see between openbravo and ademeprie is that ademepire has branches which are open.
[0:41] <trifon> while in oenbravo branches for older versions are availabel to paying customers only.
[0:41] <trifon> katratxo: yes. i'm adempeire dev.
[0:42] <katratxo> ok
[0:42] <trifon> cristi_an: what i have seen is that in order to get money in open source company must push customers to pay for something. so comapnies have different strategies.
[0:44] <cristi_an> trifon: to be hones it is the same food packed differently...
[0:44] <trifon> cristi_an: but i do ot consider taking money from open source for so bad things. bad thing is if we lie users that everything is free and that they can have ERP system for free.
[0:45] <trifon> cristi_an: different food :)
[0:45] <trifon> sounds intersting :)
[0:45] <cristi_an> if i was...in position to decide...
[0:46] <cristi_an> i would permit selling open source...so GPL3 would be...not that good
[0:46] <cristi_an> how can you check someone....? if he sell adempier or not ..in real world..
[0:46] <cristi_an> he can put there some source old...
[0:46] * katratxo must go
[0:46] <cristi_an> in the instralation he provides...
[0:47] <cristi_an> customers...are really dumb...
[0:47] <cristi_an> in this matter
[0:47] <DMA02> cristi_an, this is explained in the GPL website about the licence
[0:47] <cristi_an> most of them
[0:47] <trifon> cristi_an: why do you think that GPL v3 is not good?
[0:47] <cristi_an> beacuse...it is therory no ?
[0:48] <DMA02> trifon, I think GPL is good if you want to keep software free and freely distributable
[0:48] <DMA02> but if your gonna use a GPL'ed code for profit making you cannot stop people from distributing your changes
[0:48] <DMA02> which is the point for GPL
[0:48] <DMA02> but not maybe the point for the one trying to make money
[0:48] <cristi_an> be honest...who stops me..for example to get adempiere...distubute it wil some old code...but my changes added to be obfuscated
[0:48] <DMA02> that's not allowed by the GPLv3 cristi_an
[0:48] <trifon> DMA02: i think that GPL is good if you are the owner and want to keep software free. at the same time as owner of the code you can provide different license.
[0:49] <cristi_an> how can you punsih me :)
[0:49] <DMA02> it states that any modificaitons you make is under GPLv3
[0:49] <cristi_an> ?
[0:49] <DMA02> and they must have access to your modifications
[0:49] <cristi_an> who wil check ?
[0:49] <DMA02> anyone
[0:49] <cristi_an> it is theory...
[0:49] <DMA02> if your lucky no one bothers to read the license
[0:49] <DMA02> guess it works like that
[0:49] <DMA02> but you don't really want to get caught with your pants down.
[0:50] <DMA02> though GPL 3 gives your 30days to comply with the license
[0:50] <cristi_an> you did nto get my point....
[0:50] <DMA02> that's the thing with making money with GPL code.. you gotta charge money creatively
[0:50] <cristi_an> even if i proviude the code....
[0:50] <DMA02> like what openbravo does with those network branches
[0:51] <cristi_an> who will be interested in taht ?
[0:51] <DMA02> you make people dependent on your software.. but in a way that a majority can't handle the changes so they need you to do it
[0:51] <DMA02> many people who find that the subscriptions fees are cheaper than buying propriatory software
[0:51] <cristi_an> DMA02: YES
[0:51] <DMA02> I see it many times
[0:52] <DMA02> like ummm maybe buying Microsoft CRM costs like thousands and thousands of $$$$
[0:52] <DMA02> but getting openbravo with subscription fee is 40% cheaper
[0:52] <DMA02> but you still get that guarantee of support
[0:53] <trifon> DMA02: subscription has advantage sometimes, but when you need to change something in the functionality then you will have issues.
[0:53] <DMA02> true
[0:53] <trifon> i think that it is quite hard to seel ERP as subcription.
[0:53] <DMA02> it must be a big complex system that needs professinal support
[0:53] <trifon> you can't distribute the same functionality to 1000 companies.
[0:54] <trifon> each company needs something different and you end with 1000 modification.
[0:54] <DMA02> yup
[0:54] <DMA02> there is just 1 sacrifice to make
[0:54] <trifon> ofcourse if your application allows you to handle such modifications then you can do it, but till not i had to change code for ach of my customers.
[0:54] <cristi_an> trifon: so what you propose ?
[0:54] <DMA02> those mods become GPL'ed
[0:55] <DMA02> if your ok with that and you make money from other services.. it's goo
[0:55] <DMA02> good
[0:55] <DMA02> though acheaving this balance is the tricky part (at least for me)
[0:55] <trifon> cristi_an: my point is that in ERP application implementors have to make code changes.
[0:56] <trifon> that's why companies still preffer to have ERP on their servers under their control.
[0:56] <cristi_an> common...how many small firms or midlle do you know in Bulgaria that have programmers ? (their own)
[0:56] <trifon> cristi_an: most of the small companies do not use ERP :)
[0:56] <trifon> only accoutning software and in most of the times it is outsorced.
[0:56] <cristi_an> common !!!!
[0:56] <DMA02> or they just use excel and access
[0:57] <cristi_an> definition of openbravo : "
[0:57] <trifon> or excell.
[0:57] <DMA02> but.. some do use ERPs and don't know they can live without it
[0:57] <trifon> DMA02: and i have seen big companies using excell too :)
[0:57] <DMA02> me too.. I worked in a bank ;)
[0:58] <DMA02> they give you an excel spread sheet with crap loads of embedded formulas and tables and tell you.. we can't manage this anymore.. make us a program
[0:59] <cristi_an> it Openbravo is a web-based, open source ERP business solution for small and medium sized companies that is released under the Openbravo Public License,
[0:59] <DMA02> cristi_an is moving in for the kill ;)
[0:59] <DMA02> socrates style !
[1:00] <trifon> cristi_an: true. erp for small companies. but my point was that if you need erp then in most of the cases coampnies install it in-house on their own server to be free to make changes to the code.
[1:01] <trifon> this is the main reason why companies hire my services.
[1:01] <trifon> small or big one.
[1:01] <trifon> to intergate with other applications.
[1:01] <DMA02> yeah that's why it makes it a hard pitch to take Openbravo and try to sell it with a service
[1:01] <trifon> because a comapnie has much more then just one erp system.
[1:02] <cristi_an> trifon: but they hire you to do those changes ?
[1:02] <trifon> DMA02: yes. as a service you can't predict all variations which company would require.
[1:02] <cristi_an> not in house...
[1:02] <trifon> cristi_an: yes. exactly. for example to import from their private shop.
[1:02] <trifon> or to export to their shop system.
[1:02] <trifon> or to integrate with other application.
[1:03] <DMA02> this is where you make your money and have to price things well
[1:03] <cristi_an> and their soucers and youur updates are made public ?
[1:03] <DMA02> yes, cos it becomes GPL if you modify GPL code
[1:03] <trifon> cristi_an: look at sucessfull on-demand application. like salesforce. it is not an application it is a platform.
[1:03] <DMA02> unless your migration tools are external
[1:03] <trifon> you can change it.
[1:04] <trifon> cristi_an: when customer agrees. yes.
[1:04] <trifon> sometimes customer wants modification to remain only for him. this is allowed by GPL. in-house development do not need to be distributed.
[1:05] <cristi_an> so you do not have sublscriptions ?
[1:05] <cristi_an> with you customers...
[1:05] <cristi_an> beliveme i doubt that
[1:05] <trifon> only if company start selling this modification then it must be distributed.
[1:07] <DMA02> don't know about you guys
[1:07] <DMA02> it's 1:08 am here
[1:07] <DMA02> I gotta go get some rest
[1:07] <cristi_an> wel all have same hours :)
[1:07] <trifon> cristi_an: i'm developer so i have 3-4 companies as my customer most of my customers are implemetors who have suport contract with end users.
[1:07] <cristi_an> Bulgaria,Liban ROmania
[1:07] <trifon> same hour here :)
[1:07] <trifon> but i weakup late today so i can work a bit more :)
[1:08] <DMA02> hmm no I gotta get up in 6 hours
[1:08] <DMA02> and take a 1 hour nap at work
[1:08] <DMA02> lol
[1:08] <cristi_an> DMA02: good night !!!!
[1:08] <cristi_an> :)
[1:08] <trifon> good night!
[1:08] <DMA02> I enjoyed the conversation :)
[1:08] <DMA02> night!
[1:08] <cristi_an> same here...!
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[1:09] <cristi_an> trifon: so you are in this hierachy above implementors :)
[1:10] <trifon> cristi_an: yes. i'm second level support.
[1:10] <trifon> firs level are implementors.
[1:10] <cristi_an> how is socrate open ?
[1:10] <trifon> when implementors have big issue they call me
[1:10] <cristi_an> nowdays...
[1:10] <trifon> it was fine last year.
[1:10] <cristi_an> google group is ianctive...
[1:10] <trifon> when i developed EDIFACt for SocrateOpen.
[1:11] <trifon> i do not know about google group.
[1:11] <cristi_an> links are not working..
[1:11] <cristi_an> do you consider them as a success ?
[1:11] <trifon> i say good people there.
[1:11] <trifon> they have customers.
[1:12] <trifon> but they do not have such big community as adempeire or openbravo.
[1:12] <trifon> and it is normla as they are targeting Local market: Romanian.
[1:12] <trifon> but i think that they have success on Romaninan market.
[1:13] <trifon> i think that thei were at 9 or 10 position as ERP implementor for whole Romania.
[1:13] <cristi_an> well...i am from romania
[1:13] <trifon> yes, i know.
[1:13] <cristi_an> but i do not know too many implemnting that..
[1:13] <trifon> i'm just telling you what i know. just my personal opinion.
[1:14] <trifon> yes. they do not have big number of implementation.
[1:14] <trifon> cristi_an: do you knwo anything about openbravo in Romania?
[1:14] <cristi_an> that is nice to hear...
[1:14] <cristi_an> but that is compiere not adempiere no ?
[1:14] <trifon> i think that there were 1-2 companies implementing openbravo.
[1:15] <trifon> SocrateOpen is Based on compiere.
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[7:25] <mahi> hi
[7:27] <mahi> where insert,update ,delete code is available
[7:27] <mahi> and how that automatic come to window
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[10:10] <cristi_an> trifon: don't tell me you are online
[10:40] <trifon> cristi_an: i'm online :)
[10:44] <cristi_an> you just woke up :)
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[11:32] <cristi_an> jarekwozniak: i w8 you :)
[11:37] <cristi_an> stock kept on pos app , what methos is applied when selling goods from it
[11:37] <cristi_an> FIFO ?
[11:37] <cristi_an> i saw is possible to aquire goods...in order to put them like purchase
[11:39] <jarekwozniak> hi
[11:40] <cristi_an> hey hey :)
[11:41] <jarekwozniak> im not sure if i understand. when a sell is done in pos, pos updates the stock
[11:41] <cristi_an> jarekwozniak: i saw that products have cost price and sell price
[11:41] <jarekwozniak> yes
[11:42] <cristi_an> usually ...you may have in stock same priduct at diffrent cost price
[11:42] <cristi_an> since buy price (cost price) may change with purchase
[11:42] <cristi_an> ==> on stock same product with many cost price...
[11:43] <cristi_an> FIFO is when you first sell from oldest cost price...until that is 0
[11:47] <jarekwozniak> for selling we dont use the cost price, only the sell price
[11:47] <cristi_an> so cost price in kept for what...
[11:47] <cristi_an> ?
[11:47] <cristi_an> where it is used ?
[11:48] <jarekwozniak> just for some reports and for synchronization with erp
[11:48] <cristi_an> or you use fixed cost price ?
[11:49] <jarekwozniak> i.e. in Stock option a Products report
[11:50] <jarekwozniak> there is used the cost proice
[11:50] <jarekwozniak> price
[11:51] <cristi_an> ok...i got it is tis a fixed cost price...
[11:51] <cristi_an> liek a constant...that may be changed on demand
[11:52] <jarekwozniak> yes
[11:54] <cristi_an> one more thing may i ?
[11:55] <cristi_an> when i put things on stock...it behaves a little strnage...(because i do not knwo how to use it ,maybe)
[11:55] <cristi_an> there the right panel does not have quntyt box
[11:56] <cristi_an> only one textfiled..
[11:56] <cristi_an> + that button with code bar
[11:56] <cristi_an> on sale is ok...
[11:57] <cristi_an> on stock when i buy products...why is not the same ?
[11:59] <jarekwozniak> you dont change the stock in that panel
[12:00] <cristi_an> no ?
[12:00] <cristi_an> it is manage stock
[12:00] <jarekwozniak> go to Stock -> Products
[12:00] <jarekwozniak> you can change the stock of each product there
[12:01] <cristi_an> and that place what i said what is that ?
[12:02] <jarekwozniak> i think you meant the main sales panel, didnt't?
[12:02] <cristi_an> just a sec...sincei have rom tran and is confusing..
[12:03] <cristi_an> no
[12:03] <cristi_an> it is stock / stock maintaince
[12:09] <cristi_an> there ...is problem i signaled...initially
[12:10] <jarekwozniak> one second i will have a look
[12:10] <cristi_an> jarekwozniak: thx
[12:14] <jarekwozniak> cristi_n: so in stock maitenance you can the units number next to the product. on the right side you just manage the value of units
[12:15] <jarekwozniak> for example if you but a number in the textfield and then add a product you will see the number of units that you put in the textfield
[12:24] <CIA-44> DBSourceManager: marvintm * r269 /branches/r0.8x/src/org/openbravo/ddlutils/task/AlterXML2SQL.java: Now update.database.script will remove rows that were related through an on delete cascade foreign key to rows that have been deleted.
[12:52] <cristi_an> jarekwozniak: why is not like in the sale panel ...\
[12:52] <cristi_an> ?
[12:52] <jarekwozniak> i dont know. i havent created that
[12:54] <cristi_an> jarekwozniak: i am just saying that this kind of stuff has to be unitary treated in all palces...like reusing a control...if there is no special resaon not to do that...
[12:54] <cristi_an> i asked myself what that special reson is....that is all,cause maybe i messed somethoing
[12:55] <jarekwozniak> i started to work with pos after everything was created. so i cannot answer
[12:56] <cristi_an> jarekwozniak: las question before lunch...how can i save...such a thing from stock maintaince...
[12:56] <cristi_an> for ex (in) purchase
[12:57] <jarekwozniak> normally. just choose a product and units and press =
[12:57] <jarekwozniak> then in current inventory report you can see the difference
[12:57] <cristi_an> thx
[12:59] <jarekwozniak> no problem
[13:00] <cristi_an> like some recepies...
[13:00] <cristi_an> so for pizza X
[13:01] <cristi_an> is made out os x,y,z products
[13:01] <cristi_an> is possible to create addons to this project ?
[13:01] <cristi_an> lime plugins ?
[13:03] <jarekwozniak> you cannot create a product that contains other product at the moment. on the forum there are some solution provided instead
[13:03] <jarekwozniak> cristi_an: for example?
[13:11] <CIA-44> OpenbravoPOS: adrianromero * r573 /trunk/src-beans/com/openbravo/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixes issue 8389: Rounding in the payment window.
[13:14] <cristi_an> a pizza is made out of
[13:14] <cristi_an> :
[13:14] <cristi_an> mushrooms,cheese etv
[13:15] <cristi_an> and recepy for that is ...mush rooms x grams etc...
[13:15] <cristi_an> so when i sell a pizza...since that ...in reality do not have stock ..
[13:15] <cristi_an> i update stock for mushrooms etc.
[13:16] <jarekwozniak> in the forums there are some other solutions provided
[13:16] <jarekwozniak> openbravo pos does not manage that
[13:17] <jarekwozniak> you might work with auxiliars panel to manage that for example
[13:19] <jarekwozniak> cristi_an: http://forge.openbravo.com/plugins/espforum/view.php?group_id=101&forumid=434921&topicid=6095474
[13:19] <cristi_an> thx again
[13:38] <CIA-44> DBSourceManager: marvintm * r270 /trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Replaced calls to deprecated methods by calls to the new ones.
[13:40] <CIA-44> OpenbravoERP: Antonio Moreno <antonio.moreno <at> openbravo.com> default * 3492:f47d1020a72c /src-db/database/lib/dbsourcemanager.jar: Replaced calls to deprecated methods by calls to the new ones.
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[14:16] -ci-update- erp_devel_pi-inc-oracle build failed (http://builds.openbravo.com/job/erp_devel_pi-inc-oracle/6/)
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[14:28] -ci-update- erp_devel_pi-inc-oracle build fixed (http://builds.openbravo.com/job/erp_devel_pi-inc-oracle/9/)
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[15:01] <cristi_an> huehner: jarolslav ?
[15:04] <CIA-44> OpenbravoPOS: adrianromero * r575 /trunk/src-pos/com/openbravo/pos/printer/ticket/ (3 files): Fixes issue 6369: Improve receipt printer support
[15:05] <katratxo> cristi_an: not available at the moment
[15:05] <thenthenio> Hello!
[15:06] <thenthenio> Is there a way to clear the database completely (to have a clean empty openbravo database)?
[15:06] <thenthenio> I'm using postgresql!
[15:07] <katratxo> thenthenio: ant create.database
[15:08] <katratxo> will drop the database and create it from xml files
[15:08] <cristi_an> katratxo: any othe pos guy here ?
[15:08] <thenthenio> Ah, good, I try!
[15:09] <katratxo> cristi_an: nope
[15:10] <cristi_an> Adrian Romero ...? is he sometimes avalable...on irc or never ?
[15:11] <katratxo> sometimes, but not often
[15:14] <CIA-44> OpenbravoERP: Iván Perdomo <ivan.perdomo <at> openbravo.com> default * 3493:9c68cf9bad19 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Fixes issue 8402: Now javascript validation and autosave is triggered in some cases
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[15:47] <thenthenio> katratxo: It did exactly the opposite I needed...
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[15:48] <thenthenio> Openbravo fails deleting clients, so, given it was just a test I decided to clear the database...
[15:48] <thenthenio> My openbravo setup was already (partially) localized in Italian...
[15:48] <katratxo> thenthenio: what do you mean by opposite?
[15:48] <katratxo> < thenthenio> Is there a way to clear the database completely (to have a clean empty openbravo database)?
[15:49] <katratxo> you said empty database
[15:49] <thenthenio> ant create.database built the database with no error
[15:50] <thenthenio> But if I go to General setup > client > delete client I can see all the test clients I created earlier!!!
[15:50] <thenthenio> And, my Italian localization has gone!!!
[15:51] <thenthenio> This is the opposite I meant before...
[15:52] <katratxo> thenthenio: if you had your tomcat running ... the database was not dropped ..
[15:52] <thenthenio> Yes, I said clear the database to remove test clients (that fail to delete)
[15:53] <thenthenio> And I thought that localization files were inside .war file so outside the database...
[15:54] <thenthenio> Tomcat eas running during build but I restarted it, together with postgresql after compiling!
[15:54] <thenthenio> *was
[15:56] <katratxo> you asked for a 'clean empty database' .. that is what create.database do .... drop the database the recreate it ... but if you have a connected user to the database (tomcat) the drop fails .. you can check the log
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[15:58] <thenthenio> katratxo: So I need to stop tomcat not postgresql (because it is working creating the new database) and then ant create.database?
[15:58] <katratxo> yes, only tomcat ... the postgresql must be running ...
[15:59] <thenthenio> And after, what could I do to reconfigure Italian localization?
[16:01] <katratxo> what do you mean by localization? translation?
[16:02] <katratxo> http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Localization_Projects#Italy
[16:02] <thenthenio> It should not have been deleted by database creation, it should be inside openbravo.war file, isn't this right?
[16:02] <thenthenio> Yes, translation
[16:03] <thenthenio> I already saw that and I already successfully installed old 2.3.5 Italian localization...
[16:03] <katratxo> you can install the italian translation http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/How_To_Localize/it
[16:03] <katratxo> http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Translating_Openbravo#Installing_a_new_translation
[16:05] <CIA-44> OpenbravoERP: Iván Perdomo <ivan.perdomo <at> openbravo.com> default * 3494:67100cbe2553 /src/org/openbravo/erpCommon/utility/VerticalMenu.html: Changed the javascript validation calls. Related to issue 8369
[16:07] <thenthenio> Yes, I DID that and it worked!
[16:08] <thenthenio> So I had an Italy localized interface with trash data...
[16:08] <thenthenio> I wanted to clear data and keep Italian interfacee...
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[16:33] <cristi_an> katratxo: no Jarosalv later ?
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[16:37] <thenthenio> katratxo: No, did not worked...
[16:41] <CIA-44> OpenbravoERP: Jayakumar Kasinathan <jayakumar.kasinathan <at> openbravo.com> default * 3495:0f3e8f8bad8a /src-core/src/org/openbravo/xmlEngine/FunctionSumValue.java: Fixes bug 8310 Valued stock report does not work in 240
[16:59] <anonychus> somebody know why i can't dowload openbravo POS installer now?
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[17:40] <CIA-44> OpenbravoPOS: adrianromero * r576 /trunk/src-pos/com/openbravo/pos/printer/ (screen/JTicket.java ticket/BasicTicket.java): Fixes issue 6369: Improve receipt printer support
[17:48] <CIA-44> OpenbravoERP: David Alsasua <david.alsasua <at> openbravo.com> default * 3496:d4089396655e /src/org/openbravo/erpCommon/ad_reports/GenerateModel347_data.xsql: Fixes Bug 8314: incorrect amounts in 347 report and it does not work with name of tax modified
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[18:06] <katratxo> thenthenio: what do you mean by did not worked
[18:25] <thenthenio> katratxo: I stopped tomcat, did ant create.database, started tomcat => old clients are still there!!!
[18:27] <katratxo> is the Openbravo.properties configured correctly ?
[18:28] <thenthenio> Where I find them?
[18:28] <katratxo> from where are you executing the tasks?
[18:29] <thenthenio> .../OpenbravoERP/AppsOpenbravo
[18:30] <katratxo> so .../OpenbravoERP/AppsOpenbravo/config/Openbravo.properties
[18:30] <katratxo> http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Openbravo.properties
[18:30] <thenthenio> I found it.
[18:31] <thenthenio> ...But I haven't find anything talking about them in the openbravo setup process...
[18:32] <katratxo> http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Developers_Manual#Compiling_the_application
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[18:32] <katratxo> http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/ERP/2.50/Build_Tasks
[18:33] <katratxo> this is 2.50 document, but most of them apply to 2.40
[18:33] <thenthenio> I did not read any of developers' documentation...
[18:33] <katratxo> none of the smartbuild process is on 2.40
[18:33] <thenthenio> Just user and setup...
[18:33] <katratxo> or the modularity
[18:34] <thenthenio> Some of these properties were asked me during installation by the setup .bin...
[18:39] <thenthenio> I can't see anything wrong in the properties, what should I look for?
[18:39] <thenthenio> Ant reported buid database correctly...
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[19:05] <katratxo> the Openbravo.properties on config folder is the same that you have in webapps/openbravo/WEB-INF/ ?
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[19:12] <thenthenio> Yes, diff gives no differences
[19:13] <CIA-44> OpenbravoERP: Asier Lostalé <asier.lostale <at> openbravo.com> default * 3497:4b705d492206 /src/org/openbravo/erpCommon/modules/ExtractModule_data.xsql: fixed bug 0008407: package.module task doesn't take into account the isIncluded column in the dependencies table for templates or packages
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[19:40] <CIA-44> OpenbravoPOS: jarek.wozniak * r577 /trunk/ (build.xml launch.jnlp): Changes for jws
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[21:01] <CIA-44> OpenbravoERP: Iván Perdomo <ivan.perdomo <at> openbravo.com> default * 3498:a3b1cd2a6d59 /src/org/openbravo/base/secureApp/HttpSecureAppServlet.java: Fixes issue 8179: Removed the content-disposition header to be able to execute the javascript code
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[21:02] <DMA02> j #adempierie
[21:03] <DMA02> i'm embarrassed now
[21:14] <cristi_an> DMA02: ?
[21:15] <DMA02> I spelled adempiere wrong :$
[21:16] <cristi_an> hee :)
[21:16] <cristi_an> you 'll be banned on that channel 2 days :)
[21:18] <DMA02> remember you asked if the pos has a custom level persistence ?
[21:18] <DMA02> I looked more at the source code today.. maybe it does
[21:18] <cristi_an> it has...
[21:19] <cristi_an> i did not look deeper since i do not knwo how it works fully yet
[21:19] <cristi_an> jarolsalv...was not online todays
[21:19] <cristi_an> and docs are poor
[21:19] <DMA02> docs are worse than poor
[21:20] <DMA02> look in com.openbravo.data.loader package
[21:20] <cristi_an> DMA02: i can tell you open source cost = proprietary costs...( and anyone can tell me ,but it will not convice me of opossite)
[21:20] <DMA02> if you can expalin to me what all those classes that have the word "sentence" in it do.. then that would be cool
[21:21] <cristi_an> jsut a sec since netbeans blocked :)
[21:21] <DMA02> lol
[21:21] <DMA02> I go through it.. and I don't understand why almost all jdbc classes are wrapped
[21:22] <DMA02> PreparedSentence instead of PreparedStatement
[21:22] <DMA02> and almost all the functionalities are duplicated
[21:22] <DMA02> if they ever wrote a doc saying why and what the benefits are... maybe there would be more contributors
[21:22] <cristi_an> yess i gues they addeed an extr layer...to abstractize different databased that support
[21:23] <cristi_an> and since they do no use a well knwon ORM
[21:23] <cristi_an> that is the ...result....i have not studied that part but that is what it seems at first glance
[21:24] <DMA02> I don't like it too much
[21:25] <cristi_an> you know ...as many programmer as many styles and visions...
[21:25] <DMA02> yeah I know
[21:26] <DMA02> and it is bad when different styles and visions mix in the same source
[21:26] <cristi_an> i had a fired that resolved any problem in highscool but he had like 2 or 3 times more code then others ...but he alwas had same result for an end user :)
[21:26] <cristi_an> a friend
[21:27] <cristi_an> this is i gues because many people coded on this projects for short period of time
[21:29] <DMA02> it makes me not want to play with the code
[21:29] <DMA02> I'd spend more time trying to figure out what I am looking at than trying to code
[21:30] <DMA02> adempiere has better documented source-code but the pos is more primitive than openbravo
[21:34] <DMA02> i like icecream
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[23:16] <anonychus> somebody know why installer files of openbravo are currently unavailable?
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